Chapter and verse?
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Chapter and verse?
Bible definition of adultery is:
Ezekiel 16:32
[32] But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
Notice there are two things mentioned here one is a sin of comission and the other is a sin of omission.
The two together (the comission and the omission) are called adultery. The omission on its own is not said to be adultery.
Something can be wrong without needing to be labelled "adultery" or "fornication". E.g. theft is sin but neither of those.
Something can be wrong without needing to be labelled "adultery" or "fornication". E.g. theft is sin but neither of those.
The Bibles a rather small book to handle every topic that might arise, but there's lots of verses on agape love if your interested. Nevertheless the response of "grace and patience" was given in the spirit of recommendation rather than a specific verse.
Understood and I mostly agree. However the commission without the omission is still adultery so why not the other way around?
Also I doubt @Verifyveritas76 was referring to physical adultery but rather the more broad use of it as covenant breaking...
It’s just that I don’t really see specific examples of patience and grace being used in response to rebellion. Those things should be present yes but correction is the biblical response that I see in response to rebellion...
I see the commission, but where's this omission? Seems to be omitted from this verse.
The verse doesn't change the elements of marriage or change the qualifiers for divorce. A women is given to or taken by a man into his stewardship.
Lev 20:10
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Here's the definition in the Torah as well as the ascribed punishment.
Here the prophet Nathan compares adultery to theft.
2 Samuel 12:4
Now there came a traveler to the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock or herd to prepare for the guest who had come to him, but he took the poor man's lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”
“Instead of her husband”
And I don’t disagree that omission alone is not physical adultery...
Also I can come across pretty abrasive sometimes and I apologize for that. It’s not my intention to be rude but it’s hard to convey “tone of voice” in writing.
God has been patent with me for sure.
1Pe 3:20
because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
God was patent with their rebellion for 100 years.
I believe he was patient with the Canaanites, that killed their children in the fires for 400 years.
1Ki 15:5
because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
Notice that the Lord considers David's adultery as a violation against Uriah himself.
because David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and did not turn aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.
Notice that the Lord considers David's adultery as a violation against Uriah himself.
I 100% agree.
Physical adultery is a married woman having sex with a man other than her husband. And they are both guilty of adultery in that case.
Yes the time was an opportunity to repent and a promise of judgment for those who didn’t. I’m not advocating judgment at the first moment of wrongdoing. I don’t want to derail the thread you might enjoy reviewing http://www.biblicalfamilies.org/forum/threads/the-husband’s-call-to-love-is-a-call-to-rule.14330/ fair warning it’s a long one...
I’m not sure what a MOP is. Monogamy Only Person?
I’d agree with most of your post, however, I’ve found that Biblical adultery has broader coverage than just stealing another mans wife.
In its simplest form, adultery is anything that breaks a covenant. This may include sex with another mans wife but icould also also serving another god or not fulfilling the laws basic requirements as a husband or wife which includes marital duties.
Yes, a MOP is a Monogamy Only Person, or Monogamy Only Position. At least that's what people used to say back in the day...
BTW. In case no one else has said it, welcome back.
I think that these non-sexual "adultery" issues get very close to making divorce for any reason.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
Perhaps this is because it violates that covenant to do so.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
Perhaps this is because it violates that covenant to do so.
Thanks for having me. I love thoughtful discussion of the Bible.
I agree and I think that’s also why the word porneia was used it’s referring specifically to physical sexual sin. Not another form of adultery...
It would seem to at first glance. However, once you look at it deeper, it does anything but.
If anything, the end result is that it elevates marriage and the relationships between the spouses. It’s not a simple topic though the principles are simple.
We know a family that is currently (within the last week) broken up, filed for divorce etc. She initiated the divorce and has tried to suggest to friends that she is within Biblical rights to do so because of these non sexual requirements. IMO she would have destroyed her house with or without an excuse. Though her husband wasn’t a great husband, he was a good man who worked his tail off to provide for them. He cohabited with her when he wasn’t working out of town and he clothed her, sheltered her and gave her 4 children. Fulfilling all of his covenant and thereby rendering her without cause.
IMO she is the covenant breaker even if she never has relations with anyone else ever again. She is an adulteress without having sex outside of marriage (that I know of) and the Judge will hold her accountable for this.