January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

[Mark C]

...Why are we in the healthcare business anyway?

There is no legitimate Constitutional basis WHATSOEVER for that to be the case. (There was even discussion during the Founding era about enumerating a protected Right (i.e., prohibition) against interference in that issue, as with self-defense.)

But the arguably bigger issue in the allegedly "ACA-related" obstructionism was that illegal invaders get far, FAR, more anti-constitutional subsidies (SNAP, ACA, AFDC, etc, etc, etc, etc...thanks to the Unelected Regime) than actual Americans - period.

 

[Mojo]

But the arguably bigger issue in the allegedly "ACA-related" obstructionism was that illegal invaders get

And that argument needs to cut through the crap that Bernie and the commies are going to spew.

It’s not about starving children. The commies just want to financially support legal and illegal so that they have another constituency group beholden to them. Homeless and illegals are the new proletariat, not the actual blue collar workers.

 

[MemeFan]

One of Trumps solutions is still socialism in my book (direct payment to people instead of to insurances). Why are we in the healthcare business anyway?
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In my too.

Horewer, giving directly people money is better than current system. At least they will spend it on their priorities and force more competition.

Same with school choice.

 

[Heavens Declare]

One of Trumps solutions is still socialism in my book (direct payment to people instead of to insurances). Why are we in the healthcare business anyway?

In my too.

Horewer, giving directly people money is better than current system. At least they will spend it on their priorities and force more competition.

Same with school choice.

How about we not take the money from the people in the first place!

 

[Mark C]

Of course, it isn't really "money" at all...

 

[steve]

Interesting; I didn't see that element -- do you have a source or link?

As of last time I saw an update, there's still a LOT of "TBD." (Meaning, sausage being prepared...)

I’m sorry, I can’t remember.

 

[steve]

One of Trumps solutions is still socialism in my book (direct payment to people instead of to insurances). Why are we in the healthcare business anyway?

I believe that he is pushing the idea just for effect.
Make the libs fight to keep the money flowing to the insurance companies while people can see that there are other options which would benefit people more directly.
I don’t know what the answer is, but exposing the glaring flaws in the present system is a start towards change.

 

[Mojo]

I believe that he is pushing the idea just for effect.
Make the libs fight to keep the money flowing to the insurance companies while people can see that there are other options which would benefit people more directly.
I don’t know what the answer is, but exposing the glaring flaws in the present system is a start towards change.

It may be for effect, but it’s one of the areas I’m still not sold on our leader. I’ve come around to him over the years, but the exploding debt and deficit are…confounding.

 

[steve]

It may be for effect, but it’s one of the areas I’m still not sold on our leader. I’ve come around to him over the years, but the exploding debt and deficit are…confounding.

I hear you, but he’s been the absolute first to come up with any idea to actually reduce the debt.
I’m not for using any of the tariff money to send out checks to everyone, but maybe that’s the modern form of circuses to keep the rabble pacified in the process?
Still not a fan, though. (referring to the checks)

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

I hear you, but he’s been the absolute first to come up with any idea to actually reduce the debt.
I’m not for using any of the tariff money to send out checks to everyone, but maybe that’s the modern form of circuses to keep the rabble pacified in the process?
Still not a fan, though. (referring to the checks)

I think it is a way to win the argument that an External Revenue Service would be beneficial to us personally. If the people see checks in the mail from Tariffs, they will fully support them going forward. Ban the IRS and implement the ERS! Income tax is a baaadd idea!

 

[Mark C]

It may be for effect, but it’s one of the areas I’m still not sold on our leader. I’ve come around to him over the years, but the exploding debt and deficit are…confounding.

The debt is terminal. There is literally no way whatsoever, even mathematically, to pay it off, since it is debt, compounded on debt. Collapse, either 'fire or ice" is inevitable. The only question is mechanisms to survive that.

 

[OttoM]

I agree with Mark - there is no way fixing the debt problem.

What I believe they are doing is milking the current system dry. It will eventually collapse, and something new will come out of the ashes. Probably a cocktail mix of AI, Digital currency, and social ID. Not a cocktail I’ll be drinking.

 

[OttoM]

I think it is a way to win the argument that an External Revenue Service would be beneficial to us personally. If the people see checks in the mail from Tariffs, they will fully support them going forward. Ban the IRS and implement the ERS! Income tax is a baaadd idea!

Income tax was supposed to be just temporary. Now we have taxes upon taxes for Uncle Sam.

I fully support the ERS over the IRS. Much of the cash is wasted by the government’s spending. When it’s not your own cash paying the bills - people (government included) tend to get far more relaxed.

So at least with the ERS - the people get some currency back from the government and they can spend it however they deem fit. I suspect a good portion will end up back to the corporations, which the wealthy elite control.

 

[Mojo]

The debt is terminal. There is literally no way whatsoever, even mathematically, to pay it off, since it is debt, compounded on debt. Collapse, either 'fire or ice" is inevitable. The only question is mechanisms to survive that.

I’ve often pondered that prospect myself.

I assume they’ll restructure the system with decimal shifts. Dollars become pennies, and hundreds become singles. Isn’t that what fiat inflation is anyway?

 

[Mojo]

I hear you, but he’s been the absolute first to come up with any idea to actually reduce the debt.
I’m not for using any of the tariff money to send out checks to everyone, but maybe that’s the modern form of circuses to keep the rabble pacified in the process?
Still not a fan, though. (referring to the checks)

Oh, I agree.
It takes short term incentives for people to begin to ponder the long term benefits.

But the Black robed ones will be reporting to us soon about the whole ordeal. Their questions didn’t seem too positive.

 

[Mark C]

I’ve often pondered that prospect myself.

I assume they’ll restructure the system with decimal shifts. Dollars become pennies, and hundreds become singles. Isn’t that what fiat inflation is anyway?

That is the 'fire' side of the failure; hyperinflation (probably stagflation to infinity). The other is depressionary collapse, where the money simply implodes in debt black holes. Interestingly, we're already seeing a combination of both. (Look to commercial real estate for the latter, with kickstarters like NYC.)

 

[MemeFan]

I’ve often pondered that prospect myself.

I assume they’ll restructure the system with decimal shifts. Dollars become pennies, and hundreds become singles. Isn’t that what fiat inflation is anyway?

Hyperinflation isn't mandatory.

Cause is simple. Too much government spending causes money printing. Government can always stop deficit which will stop money printing.

Milei in Argentina is proof money printer stopping is possible. However, in real life it's very hard to stop it.

France is recent example. To avoid new elections, prime minister must spend more which will make situation worse in year/two which means spending cuts will be more painful which means, more printing is easier.

Another reason not to assume hyperinflation is must, is that enough people know cycle and what drives it which means now it's is purposfull decision of government, not situation you finish due to ignorance.

 

[Mark C]

Another reason not to assume hyperinflation is must, is that enough people know cycle and what drives it which means now it's is purposfull decision of government, not situation you finish due to ignorance.

Hyperinflation is NOT a given - as I just pointed out. It requires specific intervention (almost always by government, or the Public-Private Licensed Printer) to carry out.

But the other side of the fiat money death spiral (ice, 'money supply' implosion) is the alternative. Absent the printing, the debt spiral reduce the circulating currency to zero as it disappears.

What the Fed tries to do is balance the fire and the ice. A fool's errand.

"Scotty: 'Keptin, what we need is a controlled IMPLOSION of the Warp Drive! Otherwise, we'll BLOW UP!' "

 

[MemeFan]

How about we not take the money from the people in the first place!

You are right. In real life, situation isn't so simple.

Yoo many people are thinking healthcare requires governemnt support, so whole situation is no no politically.

Also regulation make healthcare too expensive, so people will natually gravitate toward state paying it. Nobody wants to be unable to afford healthcare.

By the way, Daniel Mitchell has found case of hospital which refused Medicare/Medaid (whatever spelling). This hospital does surgery for 10X lower price than hospitals under regulation.

So politically easier would be to cut regulation making surgery to cost like monthly salary, not yearly salary like now. This would then enable elimination of state subsidies.

I believe that he is pushing the idea just for effect.
Make the libs fight to keep the money flowing to the insurance companies while people can see that there are other options which would benefit people more directly.
I don’t know what the answer is, but exposing the glaring flaws in the present system is a start towards change.

Best analogy is fight for school choice. If you can'tc stop taxation due to political reason, at least you can start program which gives families their money back.

 

[steve]

Serious question, what if Donald declares the interest on the national debt to be illegal and pays off the debt with the payments that have already been made?