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Hello from Colorado Springs

Chris H

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Hello, my name is Chris. I’ve been a pastor and in ministry of some sort for the last 25 years. Up until the last year the subject of polygyny wasn’t even a topic to discuss, it was automatically put into the category of adultery. No discussion, no point in even considering anything different. In an effort to begin to better myself and my place as a father of 4 and husband to my wife of 25 years I began a deep study into the concept of Biblical headship and authority then into Patriarchy. Of course starting with Jesus, who in turn pointed back to the patriarchs. Still through this study, even though it was right in front of me, the idea of polygyny being any part of this study was nothing more than a side comment.
Then one day my wife came to me with a problem. A woman, her close friend, and her 4 young children were in a situation. This woman was in an unwed, unsaved relationship wot the father of her youngest (5) and he became abusive. She had stayed in the relationship but had left and come back several times before the physical abuse happened. My wife wanted advice on how to help her and my response was she needs to get out. As I walked down the hallway away from our bedroom I heard the Lord speak and tell me that he was putting this woman and her four children into my care and headship. No problem! I can help and take care of whatever I need to. We got them out, into their own place. I bought her a new vehicle and we began spending our time with this new adopted family. Our kids are best friends but little did I know I would fall completely in love with the kids. My desires shifted as I prayed over them daily, and over the woman as well. Then I began to struggle with something, not lust or sexual desire but a feeling of being out of place in the roll I had taken on. I have become a father figure to the children, so much so that the youngest two have continually asked if I can be their daddy. The older two cling to me and I have filled a roll that they lacked. For the woman I have filled the roll of husband in every way but conjugal. I have fallen in love with them all. Then I felt like I was in sin for having these feeling especially towards the woman. The truth is I want to be her provider, her protector and husband but it’s adultery, right? So, I went right back to scripture to prove that I was wrong and in sin and walk away from this responsibility, the one I know God put in my charge. That’s where I fell head first into the rabbit hole. I stumbled upon an article about the Polygamist pastor, Rich Tidwell, so I investigated and ended up connecting with him on FB. He actually called and talked with me and warned me that even bringing this up could land me in a divorce. He wasn’t wrong on landing me in hot water.
So where do I stand? No I didn’t get divorced over the subject but it’s been a hard discussion with my wife. Started with “you’re twisting scripture to make an excuse, I’ll leave you!”, to “I don’t think you’re wrong but it’s not for you!”, to dealing with bouts of jealousy and fear of loss, to competition anxiety. I’m not one to take things slowly or quietly. I jumped into studying out what the Bible really says and have extensively gone through Pete Rambo’s studies, Rob Ks podcasts and that’s where I found Jacob Foulk and read his book which was very eye opening. Jacob and I have had a chance to chat back and forth as well. I’m completely sure that the church has skewed scripture based on cultural narratives and while some may be intentional, I believe the majority of even our pastors and leaders are walking with blinders on.
I have a new passion to find the truth in scripture outside of culture, politics and world views and aim sure it will lead me down additional rabbit holes.
Back to where I am now. Well, I am still married to my beautiful bride, have 4 amazing kids, still stepping in for our adopted family and working through life with new understanding and revelation.
 
I am glad you have kept your first wife and are keeping your responsibility to the other lady, I am praying God can help you complete the role of husband to the other lady and keep two families under your headship! I am in your exact position almost and it is painful, and the burden you feel as a Man when God tells you to take an extra on in your life but the first wife and yourself were caught up in Monogamy only culture. So I sympathise with you knowing God will direct and keep you.
 
Welcome brother.
Thank you for your introduction and testimony. You’ve stumbled upon the innate servant spirit that God has placed in men.

I won’t burden you with loads of recommendations or warnings. I would just caution you on how quickly you take escalating steps and also to square the relationship this woman might still have with the men from her past. Search the scriptures as diligently regarding her status as much as you have the permissibility of polygyny.

Godspeed and stay in contact.
 
Welcome to the truth!
 
Hello, Chris, and welcome. I totally agree, an amazing introduction and story of the revelation you had calling you to step up and help this family. I believe whom your wife brought to your attention, the peril they were in and her deep concern.
You may want to consider sharing some wonderful books with your wife, books written about biblical patriarchal families. I have read nearly all of the ones that are out there to help me as a woman understands polygyny. I will keep your family in prayer. Would you like some of the titles for the books especially for women?

A perfect analogy comes to my mind for your particular situation right now, your learning to drive a manual transmission for the very first time which requires lots of patience and attention to knowing when to depress the clutch and let up on the gas, and visa versa... Not to mention that you have the whole cultural M.O. culture to navigate. Give it time, no rush. Be sure to give your wife lots of love affirmations or whatever her love language is, to show her your deep devotion for your marriage to her.

May God bless you always.
 
Hello, Chris, and welcome. I totally agree, an amazing introduction and story of the revelation you had calling you to step up and help this family. I believe whom your wife brought to your attention, the peril they were in and her deep concern.
You may want to consider sharing some wonderful books with your wife, books written about biblical patriarchal families. I have read nearly all of the ones that are out there to help me as a woman understands polygyny. I will keep your family in prayer. Would you like some of the titles for the books especially for women?

A perfect analogy comes to my mind for your particular situation right now, your learning to drive a manual transmission for the very first time which requires lots of patience and attention to knowing when to depress the clutch and let up on the gas, and visa versa... Not to mention that you have the whole cultural M.O. culture to navigate. Give it time, no rush. Be sure to give your wife lots of love affirmations or whatever her love language is, to show her your deep devotion for your marriage to her.

May God bless you always.
Thank you. It’s of course a complete flip from our original understanding. Without question I have been reading and studying. My wife and I met just out of high school. I was 20 when we married. We went through seminary together and both hold degrees in theology. She is a pastors daughter and my parents were in ministry. I’ve been very open with all of them. Both my father and her father who was my pastor hold multiple doctorate degrees in Ministry and Divinity. Walking through this with them took more guts than approaching my wife. I’m 46 and going to my father-in-law with this was harder than approaching my wife about it. The good is that we are all very much in a mindset of finding biblical truth and holding the Word as inerrant. They aren’t where I’m at in this but both were asking questions and we are all working through this idea together. My wife, she’s still reluctant but not dismissive.
This won’t be fast by any means because we are all very astute. If this is the path God has for me then His will be done. If not, I’m great with that too. I have an incredibly fulfilling and wonderful wife, by no means have I felt lack and Yahweh blessed me with her.
Headship authority is really where this came from. In a world that is being torn apart by feminism and a church who has bowed to comfort and softness we are in a critical junction spiritually as a whole.
 
Thank you. It’s of course a complete flip from our original understanding. Without question I have been reading and studying. My wife and I met just out of high school. I was 20 when we married. We went through seminary together and both hold degrees in theology. She is a pastors daughter and my parents were in ministry. I’ve been very open with all of them. Both my father and her father who was my pastor hold multiple doctorate degrees in Ministry and Divinity. Walking through this with them took more guts than approaching my wife. I’m 46 and going to my father-in-law with this was harder than approaching my wife about it. The good is that we are all very much in a mindset of finding biblical truth and holding the Word as inerrant. They aren’t where I’m at in this but both were asking questions and we are all working through this idea together. My wife, she’s still reluctant but not dismissive.
This won’t be fast by any means because we are all very astute. If this is the path God has for me then His will be done. If not, I’m great with that too. I have an incredibly fulfilling and wonderful wife, by no means have I felt lack and Yahweh blessed me with her.
Headship authority is really where this came from. In a world that is being torn apart by feminism and a church who has bowed to comfort and softness we are in a critical junction spiritually as a whole.
Huge "Ups" to your comment!!! Bravo!
 
Welcome brother.
Thank you for your introduction and testimony. You’ve stumbled upon the innate servant spirit that God has placed in men.

I won’t burden you with loads of recommendations or warnings. I would just caution you on how quickly you take escalating steps and also to square the relationship this woman might still have with the men from her past. Search the scriptures as diligently regarding her status as much as you have the permissibility of polygyny.

Godspeed and stay in contact.
This has definitely been a very interesting situation. Nothing is happening fast and the path forward is still a challenge from both ends. As far as the status and biblical lawfulness of a marriage covenant with her, it is complex as she was never married but also not in a godly relationship at all. She has come through disastrous relationships, abuse and abandonment. She has come to faith in Christ but is still young in that faith and walking through the abuse and abandonment while seeking God. From that standpoint there is a lot of baggage and she has walked into this trap over and over. It is very opposite of the walk my wife and I have had after 25 years of faithful marriage covenant. On the other hand, 25 years of walking through trials to get where we are has been a struggle to just let another person/family in.
 
As far as the status and biblical lawfulness of a marriage covenant with her, it is complex as she was never married but also not in a godly relationship at all.
This was something we were serious about too. Thankfully YHWH gave us several witnesses that the previous man was not a husband, and never intended to be.
We also had 25 years together and there is adjusting all around for everyone.

One aspect I think most Christians overlook is that women are completely out from under authority when they marry a non believer who is not under authority himself. This is not something we would wish for any woman. My youngest sis in law made that choice, had to say no to swinging, eventually left him, then was murdered by him.

Other thoughts on the impact for others.

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren, yet have done it unto me." (Done it, or not done it...and I don't think that word brethren excludes women)

Pure religion is ministering to the widows and fatherless, and keeping yourself unspotted from the world.

the path forward is still a challenge from both ends
One step at a time.

If your wife would like to visit I am happy to share.
 
From that standpoint there is a lot of baggage and she has walked into this trap over and over.
And that is the aspect that you need to be careful about. Lifestyle and habits lag in the spiritual renewal process. The spirit is often more willing than the flesh. I’m not speaking of carnal fleshy desires, it’s more how relationships are managed. Your challenge will be to create healthy and spirit-filled interpersonal habits that withstand tensions.
 
This was something we were serious about too. Thankfully YHWH gave us several witnesses that the previous man was not a husband, and never intended to be.
We also had 25 years together and there is adjusting all around for everyone.

One aspect I think most Christians overlook is that women are completely out from under authority when they marry a non believer who is not under authority himself. This is not something we would wish for any woman. My youngest sis in law made that choice, had to say no to swinging, eventually left him, then was murdered by him.

Other thoughts on the impact for others.

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren, yet have done it unto me." (Done it, or not done it...and I don't think that word brethren excludes women)

Pure religion is ministering to the widows and fatherless, and keeping yourself unspotted from the world.


One step at a time.

If your wife would like to visit I am happy to share.
Very much true.
Thank you, when she is ready to move further into this then i will have my wife reach out
 
Welcome! I hope you find some good things here.
 
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