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What draws you to this lifestyle?

frederick said:
Please highlight the word 'marriage' coz I don't see it in the text.
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I’m not convinced you want to be made well, friend.

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” - Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)

If you were more zealous to prove the merit of covenanting in fellowship with the saints (which does have an enduring positive command) than you were the merit of polygyny (which has no enduring positive command), I’d have more respect for the consistency of your views and the views expressed by the other members of the vocal minority here on BibFam.

So let’s start here and highlight this instead. Go and trust and obey your Master, the Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the Word above was given and preserved.
 
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Kojent said:
I’m not convinced you want to be made well, friend.

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” - Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)

So let’s start here and highlight this instead. Go and trust and obey your Master, the Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the Word above was given and preserved.

If you were more zealous to prove the merit of covenanting in fellowship with the saints (which does have an enduring positive command) than you were the merit of polygyny (which has no enduring positive command), I’d have more respect for the consistency of your positions.

But seeing as how so many of you more vocal members of BibFam are proving to be self-sovereign mavericks and sexual deviants, I’m going to stick to what is more clear in Scripture and see where we land.
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Let's start with, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (Exodus 20:16). On what basis do you make this accusation against me?
 
frederick said:
Let's start with, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (Exodus 20:16). On what basis do you make this accusation against me?
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I’m not playing silly games with you, Sir. No accusation was made specifically against you.

Deal with the texts or don’t. It makes no difference to me, but may very well make an eternal difference to you.

It’s not personal, I’ve just got to be strategic about where I invest my time. Right now I’ve got a five week old that wants milk to contend with, and an older man who refuses the milk of the Word.

Where do you think I’m going to spend my time?

If you want to keep moving the goal posts, that’s fine, but I’m not going to play your games.

The Judge is watching. May He decide between thee and me.
 
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frederick said:
Then you should have made that clear in your post. As I read it, your accusation at least included me. Now you've been called out, your claiming to be too busy to address your sin. Very sad!
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DARVO, eh?

What you do with conviction brought by the Holy Spirit is between you and the Most High. There’s no cloke for your sin, friend. He sees you.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubthave continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” - 1 John 2:19 (KJV)

“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” - Luke 19:27 (KJV)

Go and be joined to the Body of Christ, otherwise prepare to hear “depart, I never knew you,” or worse.

True Disciples of Christ aren’t known by their polygyny, but by their love. I love you enough to have told you the truth. You are responsible for what you do with it.

This is likely to be our last interaction, the last word is all yours.

Make it count to the glory of God, for every idle word will be judged. 👋
 
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frederick said:
Let's start with, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (Exodus 20:16). On what basis do you make this accusation against me?
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He likes takes the frame of teacher. He is teaching you Scripture which implies he is right and you are being graded.

So when teacher in school says student he is bad, that teacher is evaluating student, proclaiming judgement and being right. There is no much student can do to contest judgement since power, authority etc.. lies on teacher side.

He is trying do to same to you. He is right and you are bad boy.

That's how you should look at his "accusation". He isn't friend trying to help you.

In long term, we would (most likely) he happy if this forum becomes " sort of official" ministry with clear hierarchy. Naturally, he will put himself into leadership position. Next step is friendly advice (naturally actually mandatory) where you will be black sheep and thrown out for being improper.

End goal is likely formation of cult where he will be leader and other englihtemned slaves doing his will.

Take look at first few paragrafs here:

What draws you to this lifestyle?

That's the thing though, some of the opposing views people have here aren't inherently that "modern" or even that "feminist," they're just labeled as such anytime there's a difference of opinion. Agreed. Those terms can be both loaded and generic.
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Why do think he uses "present body as living sacrifice"? There is literary nothing in Bible regarding sexual practices between marriage couple, but he gives himself right to blacken anyone doing differently.

This guy will meddle into everything. Literally.
 
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indigenouspolygynist said:
Here's an example of what I'd consider misogyny. I don't take issue with the fact that being a good cook is a positive trait for a wife, but the implication seems to be that her contrary views and independence make her otherwise unfit for marriage.
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Can women's altitudes makes her unfit for marriage?

Lindsay Clancy fans are first example on unfitness.

And yes, female indepedence can be issue. Basically, sex and consequntly marriage requires female to submit to dominant male. Literally, sex act itself is domination of male over women.

So independent woman will fight her man way more than submissive woman. And no man wants to be married to woman who insist every day (or every few) on who is, actually, head of household.

So independent woman actually blocks sex and makes marriage very difficult. Yes, its easier to keep relationship running with more submissive woman.

What also matters is does woman likes doing service acts for her family. Because is she doesn't like, she will be resentfull.

After cheating wife, marrying "I only love carrier" woman who got pregnant and have done responsible thing (marriage and childcare) is mext worst thing. She will resent husband for keeoing her away from carrier.
 
indigenouspolygynist said:
I wouldn't describe myself as a feminist. I believe in traditional gender roles. I believe that men should provide for their families and women's first priority should tending to her family when there are young children in the home. But I don't respect men who who mistreat women. I don't respect men who abuse women, treat them as subhuman, loaf while the wife does all the work, don't provide for their families, don't love and respect their wives, etc. These are some of the things I often see among people who obsess over patriarchy. Being a patriarch requires selflessness. It means putting your wife and children's needs above your own. It means sacrificing your own desires for the good of the family. It means setting the example for how the rest of your family should live and treat other people. Being a male and bossing around a woman doesn't make someone a patriarch.
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This can't work. Only relationships which can work are those where both sides benefits which means both sides must take care of themselves.

Nobody can read mind. If some need isn't taken care of, it must be told by "needy person".

But both also need to take care of another person.

So neither focus on only themselves or focus on another can wor because both includes doing damage to someone.

indigenouspolygynist said:
Misogyny is treating a woman with disrespect because of her gender. Being an antimisogynist doesn't mean someone doesn't make someone a feminist and it doesn't mean they don't believe in traditional gender roles. It means that we treat people with the respect they deserve as a human being. Comparing women to animals and calling a minor teen unmarriable for having a differing opinion are examples of treating women (or a girl in the latter case) as subhuman. It's a disrespectful way to treat anyone, regardless of their gender.
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Truth telling is form of respect when done for benefit of other.
 
Kojent said:
We aren’t here for sexual fun, we’re here to present our bodies as living sacrifices.
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Sexual fun isn't forbidden anywhere in Bible.

Hebrews 4:13

"Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge”

So what makes bed undefiled? With whom sex is done or what couple themselves are doing? First one is criteria as per verse.

So you literally inventing prohibition. Where is inventing new bans/prohibitions allowed.

Kojent said:
Every polygynous marriage in Holy Scripture: Jacob, David, Solomon, etc., was a bundle of separate pair bonds (also called dyadic unions or dyads): one husband, multiple independent wife-relationships. There's no narrative or legal precedent for those wives being sexually involved with each other or for simultaneous group encounters.
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Where is that forbidden exactly? And narrative as evidence is stupid. There is no narrative what any marriage couple did doing sex, so according to you any form of sex is forbidden because there no instructions how to do sex.

Kojent said:
Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27 don't carve out an exception for "but what if it's within a polygynous household." The prohibition attaches to the act regardless of the marital structure around it.
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Finally some evidence. Except Levicitus is form gays and Romans probably too. Romans verse is one of most difficult to understand, but certainly can't be ban on female bisexual behaviour precisely because it's banned nowhere in Old Testament.


Kojent said:
Reading your desires eisegetically back onto the text is going to prove to be disastrous for you. If you don’t repent of it, I plead with you, it will be your eternal undoing.
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Real friend threathness me again with hell.

Kojent said:
Him and everyone else who practices their faith like him will be judged. Everyone else who teaches these things alongside him, all I can say is be not many masters. A greater judgment and a greater condemnation awaits all those who, not content to be self-deceived in quietness, sought to teach others to pursue their lusts with such greediness.
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Same again.

Kojent said:
I love you all enough to tell you the truth. What’s being proposed here is lasciviousness, sexual immorality and in all probability will thrust you outside of the Kingdom of God.
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You don't love me. You want to control me, you just use love phrase as method to try to deceive.

Real friends don't threaten one another.

Kojent said:
When the Holy One whose eyes are like a flame of fire rest upon you and people’s participation on this very forum thread are called into question, don’t say none of you were warned.
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LoL.

I already allow Holy Ghost to change my desires.
 
Kojent said:
Really? What saith the Scriptures? Where is this earthly wisdom found in the fountain of all wisdom?
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“The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.”Proverbs 7:14
 
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